I am entering my ninth year as a licensed chiropractic physician. I don’t know everything, which is why they call it practice but I have heard and seen quite a bit. If there is one thing I have learned, it is to stay in my lane as a chiropractor. (Which by the way does not only apply to chiropractors.) For my practice this means conservatively treating neck pain, low back pain and headaches. That is not all we do but it is what we do best. With that said, there is a lot of information out there about chiropractors, mostly good but some bad. As a consumer, I am sure it is difficult to discern between fact and fiction.
It is not uncommon to have skeptics walk into our office. I’ve had many new patients come to me and say, “I’ve been to a chiropractor before but it didn’t really work.” Or, “I went but they wanted me to sign up for a year-long treatment plan.” Or my favorite, “I went to a chiropractor but they never adjusted me.” These types of circumstances can give chiropractic a bad reputation. I like to tell patients that finding the right chiropractor is kind of like shopping for a car. There are a lot of variations so you need to find the one that fits you, your lifestyle, and your budget. Now let me guide you through a few factors worth taking into account when choosing a chiropractor that is right for you.
- Long
Term Treatment Plans. If your chiropractor tries to sign you up for a care plan costing thousands of dollars, that lasts several months and tells you as long as you are properly “aligned” the body will take care of itself, please find a new one. Even worse, if he/she does this all before your first treatment and seeing how you respond to care, please fire them and find a new one. Your treatment, in most instances, should be dictated by how you respond to care. - Think Twice Before Coming Back for a Second Visit. If your chiropractor doesn’t treat you on your first visit because they need time to read over your x-ray and develop a “specific” treatment plan for you, please fire them…… they are lying. They are lying. Sorry, I want to make sure you don’t misunderstand me, they are lying. Chiropractors are well trained coming out of school to examine, diagnose, treat, and read x-rays. Except for instances where all of the information isn’t available, such as needing a recent MRI report or a previous physician’s records, your chiropractor should be able to provide you with some relief on your initial visit. What they are doing is called a “second day report of findings.” It’s a marketing strategy used to try to build up the importance of treatment and extort more money out of the patient.
- Tunnel Vision. If your chiropractor is only fixated on adjusting your spine and not combining the adjustment part with crucial muscle treatment and management guidance, fire them and find a new one. The audible “pop” is only one piece of the pie. A valuable chiropractor in most cases will combine manipulating the spine with addressing the involved muscles and provide you with self-management strategies. These strategies could include strengthening exercises, stretches or lifestyle modifications to improve the long term outlook of your present condition. The adjustment is pretty awesome, but it does not cure everything.
- Beware of Pill Pushers. If you go in for pain but all your chiropractor does is try to sell you a bunch of supplements and never actually assesses your posture or recommends exercises to help you self-manage your condition, fire them and find a new doctor. One shouldn’t discount the importance of diet and in some cases supplementation, but buyer beware if your new chiropractor is more concerned about up-selling you on pills than physically treating your condition.
- Free X-Rays are a Scam. Do not go to or accept care from a chiropractor who is offering free x-rays. It will cost you much more
time and money in the end. This tactic is often used to point out insignificant subtle details about a patient’s spine to scare them into needing thousands of dollars of unnecessary treatment. X-rays are necessary, when they are medically necessary. This conclusion is reached following a thorough history and discussion with the patient along with a proper physical examination.
Yes, the body heals itself and yes adjustments go a long way in helping you maintain optimum health. Yes, a (reasonable) treatment plan is needed in most cases, but this can only be determined after a proper diagnosis and measuring how a patient responds to care. Many chiropractors talk about getting to the source of the problem and then all they do is “crack” your spine every which way. There is more to the puzzle.
Once the doctor and patient have a clear idea as to what is causing their symptoms, empowering the patient to contribute to their health through self-management of their condition is paramount. Going to the chiropractor 80 times per year is not normal and pretty unethical if you ask me.
We are by no means perfect at our office, but first and foremost we put the patient first. We want our patients to get better and back to their “normal” lives as quickly as possible. Our ultimate goal is to reduce pain and optimize overall health. This is done by providing high quality, patient-centered care.
Just like buying a car, it’s hard to know if you like one if you don’t actually test-drive it. Be cautious when choosing a chiropractor, ask questions, and listen to your instincts. If you feel like your doctor is not putting you first, fire them and find a new one.
Here is a link to the ACA, who provides some evidence based use cases for chiropractic.
Dr. Robert “Bo” Andel
Chiropractic Physician
I recently saw a chiropractor and he said they always do x-rays on the second visit.
I wasn’t having any pain, I had just gone because a friend of mine suggested me see one because I was having trouble sleeping because of anxiety.
He said in his practice; he required x-rays and he took 4 x-rays of my spine and neck on plain film.
The first visit was a consultation with him; then the second visit he took x-rays then did an adjustment. On the third visit his talk about the findings on the x-rays.
I still don’t understand why he took the x-rays because I didn’t have any pain.
On the third visit he put some kind of weights on my head and took another x-ray of my neck.
He then presented my with a long term treatment plan that consisted of $2,788.00 which I could pay up front or in 3 payments or pay I monthly for 15 months. He wa selling supplements as well.
I fee like I saw a bad chiropractor that seemed like he was in it for the money.
I felt like I got exposed to unnecessary radiation because of the 5 plain film x-rays the he took for really no reason. Most chiropractors use digital these days and only take x-rays if there is absolutely need for them. That’s what a friend of mine said.
Can you give me so advice on this? Was I exposed to a lot of radiation?
Jo, Sounds like your story is similar to a lot of others. Thanks for sharing. To answer your question one set of xrays is a relatively small dose of radiation. And a digital machine would not necessarily produce less than an older model. Most States regulate office with xray machines to make sure they are producing acceptable dosages.
I went to a Chiropractor with significant injuries with my neck that is actually aspirating my whole body. It seem that he was more interested in getting me out of the office to a acupuncturist and not come back until the acupuncture suggested I come back to the chiropractor I feel as if he was throwing me off to the side of the curb. I’ve gone to Chiropractor‘s for over 20 years back in Sacramento California. This is Of San Diego California I’m seeing a person, who is more interested in money than actually taking care of the physical needs of being able to walk and get rid of the nerve pain
My chiropractor was adjusting my neck/upper back. He didn’t tell me he was about to drop all his weight on me and KNOCKED the WIND OUT of ME. I COULDN’T LAY DOWN IN bed for 4 days because I COULDN’T BREATH I had to prop myself up on many pillows to TRY TO SLEEP. He FRACTURED (HAIRLINE) A HIGH RIBS in my chest. THAT WAS 8 WEEK AGO. I’ve had to TAKE TIME OFF WORK. I COULDN’T DRIVE, Ibecause I COULDN’T CHECK MY BLIND SPOT. I had to go to emerg today due to UNBEARABLE SHOULDER PAIN and NUMBNESS DOWN my ARM causing my ENTIRE HAND to go NUMB. They think it is a TORN ROTATOR CUFF. What should I do. I am desperate for answers and relief. Should I ever go back to him? HE CHARGED ME THE REGULAR FEE FOR THAT VISIT.
I recently saw a chiropractor and he said they always do x-rays on the second visit.
I wasn’t having any pain, I had just gone because a friend of mine suggested me see one because I was having trouble sleeping because of anxiety.
He said in his practice; he required x-rays and he took 4 x-rays of my spine and neck on plain film.
The first visit was a consultation with him; then the second visit he took x-rays then did an adjustment. On the third visit his talk about the findings on the x-rays.
I still don’t understand why he took the x-rays because I didn’t have any pain.
On the third visit he put some kind of weights on my head and took another x-ray of my neck.
He then presented my with a long term treatment plan that consisted of $2,788.00 which I could pay up front or in 3 payments or pay I monthly for 15 months. He wa selling supplements as well.
I fee like I saw a bad chiropractor that seemed like he was in it for the money.
I felt like I got exposed to unnecessary radiation because of the 5 plain film x-rays the he took for really no reason. Most chiropractors use digital these days and only take x-rays if there is absolutely need for them. That’s what a friend of mine said.
Can you give me so advice on this? Was I exposed to a lot of radiation?
Jo, Sounds like your story is similar to a lot of others. Thanks for sharing. To answer your question one set of xrays is a relatively small dose of radiation. And a digital machine would not necessarily produce less than an older model. Most States regulate office with xray machines to make sure they are producing acceptable dosages.
I am currently seeing a chiropractor but I’m not convinced he has my best interest in mind. I was in a car accident that aggravated a lower back injury. It’s annoying and some days work plain sicks because of it. I am an electrician. He uses the pneumatic gun to adjust everyone. When I am face down on the table he has me put each hand on my lower back and then up by my ear. I have no idea what he is looking for. He also has me wearing a 5mm lift. I’m not sure it is necessary. I feel like he’s just trying to make money. I’m considering going to a DO or finding a new chiropractor. I want to know they actually care.
I also recently saw a chiropractor because I’ve been having lower back pain and quad pain. It’s come and gone for the last 20 years but it’s been more severe and I’m getting older so I figured seeing a specialist was wise. I had an initial appointment where they did some stretch tests, did some electro stim on my back and recommended I get x-rays. On my second visit, I had to watch a visit about certain back issues, how long term treatment helps before I was able to see my doctor.
Once I saw the doctor he wanted me to purchase a knee brace for my patellar tendonitis, have custom orthotics made and was proposed a treatment plan that would fix my lower back, quad pain and patellar tendinitis. He cracked my back a few times and then I was then sent to an admin who had a packet with an expensive treatment plan, biofreeze sample..then maintenance schedule which would have me ALWAYS going back. I felt like I was at a car dealership and will not go back. I’d rather deal with my back pain longer and find an environment that’s not so based on up-selling. I want to believe in chiropractors but this was not a good experience.
Ian,
Thanks for sharing. Unfortunately you experienced the dark side of chiropractic. I would venture to say all professions have a fringe contingent who exploit their positions. I am sorry you were exposed to ours. If you would like to email me your zip code (drbo@smartpainsolutions.com), I would be happy to recommend someone who will respect your time, money and condition. drbo
I was going to The Joint Chiropractor for about 9 months. I was diagnosed by my doctor with osteoarthritis and bone spurs both lumbar and cervical region. I used a coupon I found online for $30 visit for an adjustment. Upon entering I filled out some waivers and talked to the chiro about my doctors findings, had an adjustment done from neck to lower spine (nothing major.. just crack from neck to lower back). Afterwards she did recommend some videos to strengthen and stretch those areas. I signed up for 4 visits a months, $80 month. She recommended I go 3 times a week first 2 weeks, then twice week after. But the plan only covered 4 a month and rest would be $10 extra each visit. Seemed like a good deal. I always felt better after an adjustment for a day but not much after that so I always wanted to go more often but that adds up. Better yet, I was hoping to have a more intense session. But, it seems they are probably better for someone who has less chronic issues and just needs a crack now and again. Usually a 10 min session or less and while I truly enjoyed the interaction with each chiro (there were 3) I felt I needed more intense care that they were capable of but with being a drop in clinic…didnt feel they actually offered. Not sure if I should look for another chiro who would give more pwrsonalized care?
Hi Laura, thanks for your comment! We always encourage personalized treatment plans that are best suited to treat individual patients.
you should look for a different chiropractor I have gone to mine for four times now I could not walk at all I was in a wheelchair and I used a walker my sciatica was excruciating pain all my pain is gone and I am just a little bit crooked to me as I step with my right foot but I don’t care As long as I can keep walking and go back to work this will probably adjust to my body and it will get better in time but like I say I my sciatica was really bad and it affected my left leg and I couldn’t use it at all and now I can so that’s all that matters to me!!!!
I also recently saw a chiropractor because I’ve been having lower back pain and quad pain. It’s come and gone for the last 20 years but it’s been more severe and I’m getting older so I figured seeing a specialist was wise. I had an initial appointment where they did some stretch tests, did some electro stim on my back and recommended I get x-rays. On my second visit, I had to watch a visit about certain back issues, how long term treatment helps before I was able to see my doctor.
Once I saw the doctor he wanted me to purchase a knee brace for my patellar tendonitis, have custom orthotics made and was proposed a treatment plan that would fix my lower back, quad pain and patellar tendinitis. He cracked my back a few times and then I was then sent to an admin who had a packet with an expensive treatment plan, biofreeze sample..then maintenance schedule which would have me ALWAYS going back. I felt like I was at a car dealership and will not go back. I’d rather deal with my back pain longer and find an environment that’s not so based on up-selling. I want to believe in chiropractors but this was not a good experience.
Ian,
Thanks for sharing. Unfortunately you experienced the dark side of chiropractic. I would venture to say all professions have a fringe contingent who exploit their positions. I am sorry you were exposed to ours. If you would like to email me your zip code (drbo@smartpainsolutions.com), I would be happy to recommend someone who will respect your time, money and condition. drbo
I recently started seeing a chiropractor. I was told upon my initial assessment that my si joint is hypomobile. And on the side that is locked up the leg is shorter. I’ve been adjusted about 6 times so far but only my neck and upper back have been adjusted. That’s not where my pain is. I believe they should be trying to get mobility in my sacrum but nothing there has been adjusted thus far. I’ve been told how ‘locked up’ it is and that there’s no give whatsoever when they have palpated the area. Also I’ve recently asked what I could have done to cause the locking up or what I could be doing to remedy the situation, I haven’t been given any direction other than ‘ maybe try yoga’ or ‘ try massage in between visits.’ They had me schedule numerous appointments out until September. And in my gut I feel like I should cancel all future appointments.
Barbara, there is so much wrong with your experience. First, I do not recommend any office that schedules you up-front for months at a time. That is not healthcare. That is a practice building tactic. There is usually no reason for it, other than a “practice management group” told them to do so. Further, I haven’t examined you so I can speculate too much, but generally if the SI is part of the problem…the SI should be addressed. In my practice if we are not seeing progress within the first few visits, we pivot and try other treatments, therapies, imaging, etc. I am sorry about your experience. Trust your gut, but don’t give up on chiropractic as a whole. Email me your city and I may be able to recommend a few other options, drbo@smartpainsolutions.com. DrBO
Hi I’m 45 year old lady who has Eds and is going to chiropractic ive been made to sign contract of 11 months costing about 2000, I’ve had 40ish adjustments and sports massages in 4 months so far, last visit hurt me I now my vision keeps going in pain in neck and up head and feel nausea I’ve been told I’ve got problems with 4 discs in neck which was confirmed by hospital but the chiropractor said I had straight neck and he could put bend back in it and get me well in about 3 years
I agree with Robert, SI joints may or may not be the issue but certainly should be addressed. After a certain age there may be a good reason for it not to move. Most joints do move though. What is the SI joint? It is a Joint. What is connected to all joints and moves them? Muscles! In many cases a person just needs the proper guidance to learn how to connect with their body in a way that it responds positively to mobilization. Od love the chance to help! wanderingguru.wordpress.com
Barbara, there is so much wrong with your experience. First, I do not recommend any office that schedules you up-front for months at a time. That is not healthcare. That is a practice building tactic. There is usually no reason for it, other than a “practice management group” told them to do so. Further, I haven’t examined you so I can speculate too much, but generally if the SI is part of the problem…the SI should be addressed. In my practice if we are not seeing progress within the first few visits, we pivot and try other treatments, therapies, imaging, etc. I am sorry about your experience. Trust your gut, but don’t give up on chiropractic as a whole. Email me your city and I may be able to recommend a few other options, drbo@smartpainsolutions.com. DrBO
For people looking for a chiropractor near them the Forward Thinking Chiropractic Alliance is a great place to start. Here is a link to their map. http://www.forwardthinkingchiro.com/member-map-1/#!map
For people looking for a chiropractor near them the Forward Thinking Chiropractic Alliance is a great place to start. Here is a link to their map. http://www.forwardthinkingchiro.com/member-map-1/#!map
Recently I just got in an MVA and my Chyro who I’ve never gone to before didn’t do any adjustments. She used a menthol rub, did a laser thing and vibrated my spine a bit. Is that normal? Apparently they don’t take X-rays from their office either.
Cherise, Thanks for the question. All chiropractors are a little different, but that is not what I learned in school. With that said, I can understand some caution be taken on an initial visit after a trauma. Chiropractors can take and read xrays in most states, but not all have machines in their office. Do not let one bad experience, sour your opinion of chiropractors. I always recommend you chose one belonging to the FTCA, https://www.forwardthinkingchiro.com/member-map-1/#!map.. Please feel free to follow up with any additional questions. drbo
I went to my first chiropractor today for some lower back pain and right shoulder pain. The Chiropractor said it was a frozen shoulder. That I need to come back 5 times a week and said that it could be months before it got better. While he was working on me he keeper texting on his cell. He didn’t have anyone to answer his phone or a nurse or anything it was just him. He told me that his office phone forward to his cell cause no one worked there but him. While he was working on me he kept saying he was finding things to fix. He adjusted my upper back he got three pops there and then a laser on my shoulder for two minutes. I think going that many times is a problem and not a good one. My gut is saying he is not the right one. What should I do?
Thank you for your comment! Frozen shoulder is something we see a lot of in our office and it can be relieved with chiropractic care. However, 5 times a week is not usually necessary. We recommend you speak with your chiropractor if treatments are unsuccessful or several visits a week is difficult for you.
Recently I just got in an MVA and my Chyro who I’ve never gone to before didn’t do any adjustments. She used a menthol rub, did a laser thing and vibrated my spine a bit. Is that normal? Apparently they don’t take X-rays from their office either.
Cherise, Thanks for the question. All chiropractors are a little different, but that is not what I learned in school. With that said, I can understand some caution be taken on an initial visit after a trauma. Chiropractors can take and read xrays in most states, but not all have machines in their office. Do not let one bad experience, sour your opinion of chiropractors. I always recommend you chose one belonging to the FTCA, https://www.forwardthinkingchiro.com/member-map-1/#!map.. Please feel free to follow up with any additional questions. drbo
Ann, sorry fo the late response.A 5 min visit is not completely unreasonable depending on what the goals of treatment are and what they are billing your insurance. The kind of symptoms you are describing when properly diagnosed are commonly helped by chiropractic. The missing component maybe core exercises. Low back strength and coordination directly correlates with reduced low back pain, when more serious conditions are ruled out. I would ask them what you can being doing at home to help compliment the adjustments. Thank you for sharing. drbo
Hello,
So I have a lower back issue 3 herniated disk .
I already had an MRI with me and I was looking around for the right chiro since the first one suggested a treatment plan of 5k. Anyways I found another one stating to do x ray first visit and I did and he then said he wanted to go over the MRI scan for the next visit . Long story short he said
my pelvic is tilted. So he’s made a plan to adjust my pelvic for 13 sessions but no solution for my herniated disc. He said it’s all connected and that’s the reason why my back is messed up . I’m on my 5th visit and to be honest I only felt a difference once and that’s it we keep doing the same method and he has a lot of people at once not an individual visit. He did offer a fancy disk therapy for 5k as well but I don’t know what to do. I have very mild pain now but my hips do ache and my left foot feels heavy at time. What do you think ? Sorry if it’s long.
Eric,
Thanks for sharing. You made the right call with the first chiropractor, the 2nd is iffy. It sounds like he did not treat you on your initial visit because he had to “review your case,” and 13 visits up front is a bit much. You might need 13 to maximize your potential, but if you aren’t noticing significant gains with in the first 4-5 visits, you provider should be willing to pivot in my opinion. Further if the above is true and your chiropractor is not recommending core activation and strengthening exercises and/or addressing the surrounding muscles, then you are probably in the wrong spot. Things I don’t know…. how old you are, level of fitness, history of back pain, extent of arthritis noted on your imaging. These all play a factor. Its also entirely possible chiropractic is not what you need. Still based on what you are saying I would consider trying one more. I always recommend a FTCA approved chiropractor. If that does not work, then pain management or another referral maybe indicated. Hope this helps. Sorry if it’s long:)
Some time ,Chiropractor do messing with your spinal cord at first day examine n adjust in low price for you & then you go every another day for fix it .
My Decision is go straight chiropractor make my spine straight in first session that’s not hard he or she compresses the whole spine by two hands .MAKE WHOLE BODY ADJUSTMENT IN ONE TIME FRONT N BACK .30 minutes To 45 m max
CAUTION FOR ALL.
MAKE SURE CHIROPRACTOR DONT USE SMALL PILLOW CUSHIONS UNDER NEATH YOUR SPINE CORD & COMPRESSION HARD .IT MEANS HE OR SHE DID TRICKY CHEATING WITH YOU FOR GIVING WRONG ADJUSTMENT WITH YOUR SPINE .AFTER YOU GO BACK TO HOME FEEL SPACE IN SPINAL CORD UPPER TO LOWER.BEAUSE CHIROPRACTOR WANTS TO YOU GO EVERY TIME GIVEN THEIR SESSION WHICH YOU PAID MEMBERSHIP FEE FOR TWO MONTH COMPULSORY N CHARGED IT BY CROOK N SCARED YOU.
BEWARE…
Later go to chinese Massage salon ,Expert girl walk on your spine n completely fix it . NO PAIN YOU FEEL EVERY STEP OF CRACKING SOUND ITS GOES STRAIGHT .
RECOMMEND GO EVERY 2 WEEKS LATER TO MASSAGE THERAPIST.
I. FIRST SESSION CHIROPRACTOR.
2 TIME IN A MONTH IF NEEDED.
2.SECOND MASSAGE THERAPIST.
EVERY 2TIMES IN MONTH
Hello,
So I have a lower back issue 3 herniated disk .
I already had an MRI with me and I was looking around for the right chiro since the first one suggested a treatment plan of 5k. Anyways I found another one stating to do x ray first visit and I did and he then said he wanted to go over the MRI scan for the next visit . Long story short he said
my pelvic is tilted. So he’s made a plan to adjust my pelvic for 13 sessions but no solution for my herniated disc. He said it’s all connected and that’s the reason why my back is messed up . I’m on my 5th visit and to be honest I only felt a difference once and that’s it we keep doing the same method and he has a lot of people at once not an individual visit. He did offer a fancy disk therapy for 5k as well but I don’t know what to do. I have very mild pain now but my hips do ache and my left foot feels heavy at time. What do you think ? Sorry if it’s long.
Eric,
Thanks for sharing. You made the right call with the first chiropractor, the 2nd is iffy. It sounds like he did not treat you on your initial visit because he had to “review your case,” and 13 visits up front is a bit much. You might need 13 to maximize your potential, but if you aren’t noticing significant gains with in the first 4-5 visits, you provider should be willing to pivot in my opinion. Further if the above is true and your chiropractor is not recommending core activation and strengthening exercises and/or addressing the surrounding muscles, then you are probably in the wrong spot. Things I don’t know…. how old you are, level of fitness, history of back pain, extent of arthritis noted on your imaging. These all play a factor. Its also entirely possible chiropractic is not what you need. Still based on what you are saying I would consider trying one more. I always recommend a FTCA approved chiropractor. If that does not work, then pain management or another referral maybe indicated. Hope this helps. Sorry if it’s long:)
I liked your article and have questions. I recently vivited a chiropractor for severe back spasms. He treated me on the first vivid and Ibfelt better. They did XRs and I came back for a second visit and was adjusted again. I was given a treament plan and booked for 3 times a week for the first couple of months. This would cost thousands of dollars and different payment plans were discussed. He adjusts me on the second visit, and again I felt better, but it did not last. Should I go back to him or is this a scam?
Ob,
Seeing the future, months down the road, is difficult. At my practice, we would never schedule more than 6-8 visits at a time up front(and that would be a lot). If you begin to see the benefits of chiropractic treatment, your frequency should be reduced. You should also be given management strategies such as exercises and stretches to help reduce your dependence on your chiropractor, or any doctor for that matter. Hard to be too critical of this situation with out knowing more details. But generally speaking, a 24 visit treatment plan is excessive in my opinion. drbo
I liked your article and have questions. I recently vivited a chiropractor for severe back spasms. He treated me on the first vivid and Ibfelt better. They did XRs and I came back for a second visit and was adjusted again. I was given a treament plan and booked for 3 times a week for the first couple of months. This would cost thousands of dollars and different payment plans were discussed. He adjusts me on the second visit, and again I felt better, but it did not last. Should I go back to him or is this a scam?
I was born with a heart condition and with it came my scoliosis and kyphosis. A friend kept raving about this chiropractor so I went to go see him. Upon arrival for our free consultation, I signed some paperwork about records release, privacy acts and billing procedures. My appointment was for 5pm but I didn’t get seen until 5:30pm. I asked at 5:30pm if I was going to go in soon since I really thought my appointment was going to be AT 5pm. I went into a back room and the front desk girl handed me a handout on subluxation, front and back, to “study”. She comes back in and asks if I have questions and I said no. The doctor came in and asked me more questions about the subluxation. We did xrays which they told me are covered by my insurance. I made the next appointment for my “ROF” – research of findings and at the next appointment I waited longer than half an hour to see him. There were numerous patients coming in and out at my appointment time and they weren’t stopping. I again asked if I was going to be seen since I had other things to do that day. They told me that adjustments can take anywhere from 5-15 minutes but I felt like I should have gotten his undivided attention for both of my first appointments. He kept leaving the room to adjust people and I felt like I wasn’t important.
He wanted me to see him 3x a week. I don’t drive so Lyfting/Ubering there and back plus my copay was getting to be too much. He did crack my neck and I wasn’t expecting it on one visit. Monday I went in and told them I won’t be coming back for awhile and they said I had to do an “exit interview” and scheduled it for yet another day. I made Monday my last day and when he asked what was wrong, I felt uncomfortable discusssing financial issues with him. He said he would give me “active movement” and did another oscillating (?) test. He then proceeded to crack my back twice which I also wasn’t expecting. I did tell him that I would want him to tell me if he would crack my back before since I hate the “pop” noise. At that moment, I knew I didn’t want to go back because I no longer felt comfortable there.
Today my husband went to get his ROF and they told him they would give him a discount since I was a patient, former patient. They said yesterday they didn’t know whether his insurance would cover it but then today after his appointment, they told him he would have to pay $1800-1900 up front and be seen once a week for 52 weeks. I have never heard of any kind of doctor or specialist requesting that. Is that normal? He expressed his concerns during the exam part and felt like the doctor wasn’t taking them seriously. His back still hurts from whatever adjustment he had yesterday. My back still hurts from yesterday morning. I want to believe that chiropractic work can help but with everything that happened, I’m hesitant to go to someone new. I’m in 92109.
Annie,
An exit interview, on a different day?? All I can say is you made the right choice. All of your concerns are legitimate in my opinion. Chiropractors in my experience resort to unscrupulous sales tactics when they are not very good doctors and they dont have the patient’s best in mind. Below are two options that may work out better. Best
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Went to a chiropractor years back had burning pain in my arms. It was related to my neck couldn’t turn it all the way. Went 3 times a week for almost a year. During those visits he adjusted my neck hips legs toes feet fingers. Than after that continually I started burning felt like I was actually on fire. It was awful had to go to a psychiatrist as I was in depression to this day I get burning from flare ups, never again!
Really Sorry to hear that Diane. At any point did your chiropractor ever recommend an MRI or a referral to spine specialist? I rarely treatment people at that frequency for more than a few weeks. But if I did and they were not showing significant improvement after 4-6 weeks, I would send them out for an MRI, Xray, Neurosurgeon, or any number of other tests. While I do not know all of the details of your case, treating someone without out seeing improvement for that duration is irresponsible no matter what. Drbo
Annie,
An exit interview, on a different day?? All I can say is you made the right choice. All of your concerns are legitimate in my opinion. Chiropractors in my experience resort to unscrupulous sales tactics when they are not very good doctors and they dont have the patient’s best in mind. Below are two options that may work out better. Best
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I started with a chiropractor because of a motor vehicle accident and recommended by my lawyer. On my third visit, the chiropractor adjusted my neck before telling me. The crackling sound was awful and the pain was very bad. I became light headed and nauseous for the rest of the day. My complaints of pain are not acknowledged and only make the busy doctor more perturbed. On my forth visit today: he gave me a very deep massage that was painful on my shoulders and neck. Is it normal to be in pain and do sore?
Lisa, Being sore is not uncommon and isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Whats bad, is adjusting without what is called “informed consent.” A chiropractor should always explain a procedure and its risks before initially performing it. If you think your chiropractor is too busy to give you the appropriate time and attention, I would recommend finding one that will.
I started with a chiropractor because of a motor vehicle accident and recommended by my lawyer. On my third visit, the chiropractor adjusted my neck before telling me. The crackling sound was awful and the pain was very bad. I became light headed and nauseous for the rest of the day. My complaints of pain are not acknowledged and only make the busy doctor more perturbed. On my forth visit today: he gave me a very deep massage that was painful on my shoulders and neck. Is it normal to be in pain and do sore?
Lisa, Being sore is not uncommon and isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Whats bad, is adjusting without what is called “informed consent.” A chiropractor should always explain a procedure and its risks before initially performing it. If you think your chiropractor is too busy to give you the appropriate time and attention, I would recommend finding one that will.
I went to a chiropractor when my lower back pain turned into knee buckling groin muscle spasms. He told me I would need a whole spine set of xrays done in his office and used a tens unit on my lower back. I had a set of MRI imaging done and brought it with me. He said that he needed the xrays done in his office because his computer app would set up a treatment plan based on his own xrays. He then told me that me that spinal issues were lifelong issues and that I has to commit to making chiropractic visits a part of my life. He sold me supplements and scheduled me for a massage with his masseuse 1x weekly. The MRI showed one slight degenerative disc in my neck and one slightly bulging disc in my lower back with no spinal cord contact. I switched doctors and the second one helped my lower back immensely, however she won’t address my neck issues. Is there a reason for this?
Barbara,
Unfortunately the term “quack” applies to a portion of our profession and unfortunately you ended up in one of their offices. I am happy to hear you got away and found someone to help. As for avoiding the neck, there are good reasons for not adjusting the cervical spine, but I will say that only applies to a small percentage of the people I treat. Without knowing more about your history it is hard to provide a real definitive opinion. DrBO
I went to a chiropractor when my lower back pain turned into knee buckling groin muscle spasms. He told me I would need a whole spine set of xrays done in his office and used a tens unit on my lower back. I had a set of MRI imaging done and brought it with me. He said that he needed the xrays done in his office because his computer app would set up a treatment plan based on his own xrays. He then told me that me that spinal issues were lifelong issues and that I has to commit to making chiropractic visits a part of my life. He sold me supplements and scheduled me for a massage with his masseuse 1x weekly. The MRI showed one slight degenerative disc in my neck and one slightly bulging disc in my lower back with no spinal cord contact. I switched doctors and the second one helped my lower back immensely, however she won’t address my neck issues. Is there a reason for this?
Barbara,
Unfortunately the term “quack” applies to a portion of our profession and unfortunately you ended up in one of their offices. I am happy to hear you got away and found someone to help. As for avoiding the neck, there are good reasons for not adjusting the cervical spine, but I will say that only applies to a small percentage of the people I treat. Without knowing more about your history it is hard to provide a real definitive opinion. DrBO
I went to a Chiropractor after being in a car accident while 8 months pregnant. He informed me that it would be a lengthy procedure due to aligning my spine as much as possible to give birth, and the birthing process would ultimately undo everything we did previously in the sessions.
However, what concerns me is that when he was taking xrays, he readjusted how I was normally (and comfortably) standing into awkward positions, having me drop one hip lower than the other, pulled one shoulder forward and up, made me pull my chin inward towards my chest and then hold myself steady with a cane while he took the xrays.
Then had me turn sideways and did more awkward positions by making me push in my spine at my lower back and outward in my upper back.
It didn’t feel like it was unethical but I didn’t know nor do I still.
Jennifer,
First of all thanks for sharing. Second, I hope they had sound clinical reasoning for xraying a pregnant woman. As far as the positioning goes if it felt unethical, I would go with your gut. We do have to put patient’s and specific positions to get proper images while taking xrays. One example is called a flexion/extension series. We take one standing neutral from the side then asked you to extend your head and flex your, taking pictures of both positions. This allows us to visualize the movement between segments. It sounds like you may have been asked to do a little more. I have not heard of hipping hiking/dropping. With that said it is hard to offer a complete opinion without knowing more. I would be curious to know what your final bill was? Hope this was helpful. Feel free to follow up if you have additional questions. Best, DRBO
So glad to have found this posting. I have never had any neck pain, or tmj issues, but recently I clenched my jaw and it went out of alignment – very painful, difficult to chew etc. My dentist said it would clear up on its own with time but someone told me that chiropractors can address TMJ issues and I have had great results with a chiropractor who treats my back when it acts up (but he doesn’t address tmj). I found this chiro on the internet when searching for chiros who treat tmj. At the first visit she examined me and told me my head is forward and I needed to get X-rays for the next visit. She did some stim and neck adjustments and used something on my jaw. At the next visit after reading the xrays she said she was shocked I had never had any neck pain, that I had arthritis in the neck joints and that my neck is the cause of the jaw situation. Alarm bells went off though, when she said I had to come 3 times a week for the next three months! That just seems excessive. My other chiropractor has never suggested anything that aggressive and I have been in far more pain on occasion when seeing him. Insurance will probably cover it but the copay alone will cost me $100 a week. I don’t want to ignore a legitimate medical condition but I just didn’t have a good feeling about this – she seemed very aggressive and when I questioned the number of visits she made me feel like I would be neglecting my health without it. Your thoughts?
Sandi,
Trust your gut. I would never make this recommendation. How does anyone know how you will respond to care? As you improve, your visit frequency should generally decrease. A treatment plan should be flexible in this way. And she wasn’t shocked about your neck xrays. Thats a sleazy sales tactic. Generally speaking incidental findings on imaging are not directly correlated to pain findings on physical examination. This is the philosophy we follow in our offices. DRBO
Hi Dr. Robert,
I’ve been experiencing a pins and needles sensation on the back of my head for over a month now. I reached out to my DR who recommended I see a chiropractor or a physical therapist.
Fast-forward to now and I’ve been getting adjust three times a week with no results. I mentioned this to the chiropractor and he keeps chalking it up to my muscles being stiff and he makes no changes to my adjustment. I was also reexamined a week ago and things seem to have gotten worse according to their images?
How long should I continue to see them if I continue to experience minimal results?
I went to see a chiropractor and this doctor was aggressive when he adjusted my neck, and back. Later that week I started not feeling well my neck was aching. I decided to go to my old chiropractor and he adjusted bmy neck and my back! I like how he does it! He does it slowly and I felt a relief after a day! My question is do I have to go to the follow up appointment even though im feeling better already? I don’t want him to adjust me again! Do they have to adjust me again even though I don’t feel anymore pain or discomfort? Thank you for your time!
I started seeing the chiropractor after car accident prior to that I was a victim of an assault and living with pain for over three years the car accident obviously made it worse Neurosurgeon said zmy body was in shock I do suffer from spinal cord damage of which is Chiropractor was aware of I started feeling better for the first time in a long time the doctor kept trying to push down in the middle of my back and it doesn’t seem to want to give you finally got me to the point like I said to wear is feeling good and he pushed down on a spot in my back and he made everything feels so it’s reversed I am now back in Painesville I can’t even breathe I almost feel the the same I almost feel as though I shouldn’t have told him I felt well because it feels so bad he made me reverse what has been done don’t know if this is normal because is this the process I really feel as though he made me hurt so he can keep business. PS any misspellings or miss wording please forgive me do the spinal cord damage it’s hard for me to type and I use the microphone.
In my experience cervical musculoskeletal conditions respond relatively quickly with adjustments. Symptoms may not absolve completely right away, but if adjustments are indicted there should some improvement after 2-3 adjustments. When that is not the case, there needs to be some extenuating circumstances, or changes in treatment should be considered. Sounds like they took a second set of X-rays as part of a routine “reexamine?” That is a practice that raises a lot of questions for me. Given my background, I would be looking for new chiropractor. I usually recommended the FTCA as good place to start. Drbo
Fair question, but I honestly do not have a enough information to give you a proper recommendation. We are pain based at my office. We treat symptoms and educate patients on how to best manage the causes. This would include things like exercises, stretches, ergonomic recommendations, etc. Sometimes one adjustment is enough, but I do not know your history. With that said, two visits is really too many, though. Drbo
The aggressive doctor adjust my neck and he didn’t tell me not to lift heavy stuff right away so the next day I went to work. I push, pull, lift heavy things and I think that’s how I agitated the nerve in my neck so I started feeling dizzy and tingling in my hands so I thought I have a nerve pinch. So after 4 days, I went to my old chiropractor and told him what happend. He told me that the first spinal bone in my neck is causing the dizzyness so he did the adjustment in my neck and upper back. He told me not to lift heavy stuff for a day or two. He’s going to see me in 2 days to follow up on me! It’s been 2 days and I’m feeling great! I called them to ask if I still have to see the doctor for the follow up even though I don’t feel anymore pain or discomfort on my neck and they said yes I still need to see him and he will also adjust me again! Do I have to see him again even though I don’t feel any discomfort anymore? I don’t want them to adjust me again! dizzyness and tingling in my fingers are gone! Is it ok to see the chiropractor after 2 days of the adjustment?
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I’ve wondered before if maybe I should find a new chiropractor; I’ve been seeing one since August. Injured myself in MMA training, had headaches all summer…pretty sure I have a pinched nerve in my shoulder/trap area. My doctor also thinks this is the cause of my headaches. They told me after a month or two the headaches should be gone; I still experience mild headaches and something is still clearly pinched. They’ve worked that area…but only when I specifically asked them to. Gave me a couple of stretches months ago to do at home…and never again anything other than a routine adjustment. The troubling part was when I found out one of my father’s friends also goes there…as well as her husband. She told me her husband’s x-ray scan results…and it sounded identical to mine.
Don’t get me wrong…I feel better. But I’ve suspected maybe I’m being strung along. Should I find a new chiropractor?
I recently saw a chiropractor for shoulder pain and a grinding neck. He adjusted my neck well, but my back was adjusted so roughly that i had immediate pain and my spine in the middle of my back still hurts a month later. It didn’t hurt at all in this area before seeing this Chiropractor. I hope it will feel better soon.
I’m confused. Lol I finally saw a chiropractor after having leg, hand, and back pain/weakness for many years. A clinic doctor found L5 S1 disc problems, arthritis in back, and slight problem at L4 disc. So I went to a chiropractor that was recommended by alot of people. On first visit he did exams and an xray of my neck because it popped during exam and one side of my body sat lower than other side. Next visit he did something with moving feet up and down, having my head turn right/left/ back down, used some loud click instrument and a few other things. My biggest back pain was gone after that. On third visit my husband had to come and we sat in a class like meeting after hours. Then he brought people into his office one couple at a time to discuss xrays and treatment plans. He said we can do temporary treatment to just relieve it. Or we can do this package plan to actually treat it. My neck vertebrae were not in a line at all and already growing bone spurs in the xray he did. The plan would include some pillow, supplements, and go for about a year. We would start 3 times a week for 4 weeks, then drop to twice a week, then once a week. After that he said I would have to come at least 1 or 2 times a month to keep living my best life. This plan i would have to pay $400 down and all together I’ll be paying almost $2000. I don’t mind putting up money for help, but is this legit? Honestly, it felt like we were in one of those time share things. Lol They even said my husband would get a free visit and stuff with this package. I know there isn’t much to do when your L5 messes up, but is all this really necessary to get my neck ligned back up? Thank you for your time and help.
Ugh…..sorry this is not how I practice. And further I think it’s dishonest. I am not aware of any evidence/studies that support the need for this type of treatment frequency. Tactics like these are the reasons people have poor impressions of chiropractors. Sounds like they did not treat on the first visit either? A licensed chiropractor should be able to diagnose and provide treatment recommendations on your initial visit. Anyone who cannot, is either googling your symptoms or looking out for their financial interest over your health. On the other hand, your health is your prerogative. So if you like the office, by all means follow through with their recommendations. drbo
I think occupational therapy is an entirely different art altogether. If something is very effective in making you improve the quality of your loved one’s life then it really is an art. A good therapist will not only have the skill set of someone who knows every technical asset by heart. He will know how to speak to a patient in a way that the recipient of his care will really believe that he will really heal eventually. It is very important that the patient is happy. If the therapist has a way to creatively instill happiness to every patient and caregiver, I think the world will be a very kinder place to live in. We all want to heal from something and sometimes the only reason we can’t do this is because the people around us are hostile.
I started seeing a chiropractor at the start of Dec 2019. the first appointment was a consultation and assessment. The second appointment we went over the x-rays and he gave me an adjustments. I went to see him for pain in my neck, shoulders, middle back, left back rib. I was given a treatment plan were visits would be reduced but it has not. He had said that the pain is being caused by the pinched nerves in my neck areas. However, I have not felt any different, sometimes even more pain actually and my visits are 3- 7 minutes long. I don’t want to keep wasting money because I have already paid over a $1000 from December. Should I find a new doctor?
Cyd,
I apologize for the late reply. If a doctor says he need time to look over your xrays and develop a treatment plan, that is typically business strategy and not in your best interest. Beyond that chiropractic care works. Everyday Neck, Low Back and Headache Pain respond quickly to proper patient center care. It does not sound like that is what you are receiving. Has your doctor made any recommendations on on stretches, sleeping, or exercises you can do stabilize the areas in question? drbo
Hi
I have scoliosis and wore a brace for nearly 6 years. I have no pain and good posture.
I was advised that i should see a chiropractor to avoid pains in the future.
I went and he took an X-ray and said I’m going to get Bad arthritis If i don’t get the proper care. He also suggested i start stretching a lot.
He wants to see me once a week forever. He puts me on this machine they call the “Superman” that stretches my back (i just feel normal i don’t feel it stretch) and then he does all that cracking of the neck back etc.
he asks how do i feel afterwards i just say “i feel the same Bc i didn’t have any pain or any discomfort. I came to avoid future problems i guess”
Should i just stick to stretching on the regular and forget this chiropractor thing?
Hi Yesi,
Scoliosis can be serious contributing to premature and accentuated degeneration(arthritis) in susceptible areas. With that said, I can not say with confidence that weekly chiropractic visits are going to prevent the progression. Without examining you it is impossible to make treatment recommendations, so I will say this. If you are uneasy in any way about your current doctor’s motives or understanding about your condition, get a second and even a third opinion. Having to wear a brace for six years suggests that you spinal imbalances are rather advanced. I would at least consider looking into management strategies to maintain optimal function in the future. drbo
Hi, I recently suffered a great deal of lower back and leg pain, after extensive digital X-rays taken, the chiropractor gave me a three month treatment plan, the 1st mint, a series of treatments X1 per day, which I have almost n according to plan, he wanted x3 times per week, then the 3rd month x2 rimes per week. With the corona virus scare happening , I don’t want to go back, and leave everything for a while, would that be ok? Also, did the chiropractor over-treat my problem? Already I am up to thousands of dollars in debt on my credit card, as each session costs 100 each.. with thanks’ Carl.
Carl, Thanks for sharing. Without seeing you, I can’t give you precise treatment advice. I can however tell you that you were likely over-treated. Sorry, correction, you were oversold. In my opinion there is no room for those treatment recommendations under any circumstances. I am guessing that same chiropractor gave the same treatment recommendations to all of his other patients that same day. Sorry to hear about your story. There are good chiropractors out there. drab
Hi. I was seeing an Orthopedic doctor and was diagnosed as having L4/L5 and L5/S1 disc herniation. Also was diagnosed with Lumbar Radiculopathy and Sciatica. I also was told I have facet joint syndrome. I just recently was involved in an MVA and am suffering from neck, shoulder, arm pain with numbness and tingling going down to my fingers with more pain in my lower back than usual. I was referred to another Orthopedic office where they said it may be Cervical Radiculopathy but have no images to diagnose it. I was told to start Chiropractic treatments and that they will get the imaging ordered. I have went to 4 treatments and am feeling worse. Is this normal practice. Treatment before diagnosis? How do they know if they are treating the right thing?
Gina, excellent question. The need for imaging should depend on your history and presentation. If a patient does not have any weakness or loss of function in a particular area it is usually ok to attempt a trial of care prior to doing imaging. Generally speaking we are conservative at my office when it comes to taking xrays and ordering MRIs, if we are confident in the initial examination. They did diagnose you, however. They may not have articulated that well to you, but you do have a diagnosis. You can not charge for an examination visit without one. Therefor the is a diagnosis in your chart. If they do imaging in the future, your providers may be able to achieve a higher level of diagnosis which attorneys tend to like for obvious reasons. Increased symptoms should not go on for too long before imaging or a change in treatment plan is recommended. DRBO
I’m seeing a physiotherapist and she told me she’s also a chiropractor. On my first visit she said shed have me straight, healthy then she asked if I’d be here in this city for the next year. Lol. I immediately smelled a rat. I’m a sceptic and sure enough she wanted me to go to her twice a week. I’ve arthritis and needed a lot of rehabilitation but not that much. Then she wouldn’t adjust me. Then when i pressed the subject she tried to then couldn’t because I’m too strong. She then said I don’t need adjusting, then flipped to it’s too dangerous to adjust me to she’s not able to. She was out of her depth. She adjusted my neck last week and it was embarrassing. She lay me on a table and pushed my face to one side as hard as she could, for about 1 minute, pressing hard until she heard the pop. I swear, she was so proud of herself. She tried other adjustments but failed miserably. I felt it was so unethical of her. Rant over. The best chiro i ever vane across was in India. In 10 weeks I grew almost two inches, my pelvis was straight again after years of walking wonky. My feet were no longer mishapen. Those are the golden ones lol
Wow, sorry to hear about that experience! Definitely a doctor you want to avoid. While there are a few medical reasons to avoid adjusting, it does not sound like that should have been an issue for you based on this information. However, I’m very glad to hear you’ve had positive experiences with chiropractic as well!
About 5-6 month ago, I had a massive sciatic pain on left lower back & down to my foot. I was in so much pain & finally decided to see a chiropractor. Even though I could not drive because of so much pain… I got into my car and as tears of pain rolling down my face, drove 40 min to destination. I walked in & was charge the co-pay.. then, saw the Chiropractor who took an x-ray & walked me to sitting area. Next, a young lady placed a cold pack on my back & then put me on a bed with roller going up and down. I was then walked to front office to make my next appointment… I practically begged her to have the doctor to see me again to which she replied that it was very important for him to take time and review my x-ray… and then go over plan of action as to how this issue can be fixed and also that luckily, I was allowed 26 visits & I had all available which should be enough visits to fix my pain. I explained that I drove crying and that I just couldn’t do this again. She seemed a little upset at my comment. I left thinking that once again, I have been tricked by a chiropractor as I made a promise before not to ever trust another one. I have never been to a doctor, dentist or an orthopedic surgeon to be told that the doctor needs time to review the results carefully before he or she can tell you why I am in pain. I give up and not sure why it is so hard to find an honest Chiropractor.
Matt,
So sorry to hear that. Yes you were conned. No other way to put it. We are trained to read xrays and diagnosis musculoskeletal complaints. We were never taught to sleep on it. “Doctors” who do that are trying to up sell you. There are honest chiros out there, I swear. Actually a lot of them. I am sorry to hear about your experience. drbo
I just found your page, and it matched my suspicions. Still, I fell prey for the same tactics, and I am paying for the credit I took. I went for the bait at a Facebook promotional advertisement, offering first initial consultation for a nominal price… I did not use my usual critical thinking. Horrible right hand disabling hand pain. I can no longer do my push ups or any other training requiring me to flex my right side wrist, and flexing the wrist has a great pain shock and memory to it, sharp, deep on each lower edge of the wrist, under the thumb end and semi-lateral spot sharp pain at the end of the pinky – icepick cutting through sort of pain. Oh man, I am indignant with the possibility that someone could have used my pain to extort and exploit me… When I couldn’t have afforded none of this. I have been x-rayed. Digital. I started getting suspicious from there, still, I needed at least the run for the money I paid “promotional”, x-rays included (I did want to see it too, my records). I was looking for some adjustments that day, but no, it was just the x-ray set, talking “treatment plan” ($3,800) and I am a cash paying. I remember chiro looking at me surprised that between my C5-C6 there were no “spaces” and a “scoliotic curve” that almost made me laugh in the chiro’s face. I suspected that time I was waiting for seeing the x-ray in his office was used to “photoshop” the curve… I didn’t tell much that I worked in a hospital doing statistics and disease control. That surreal curve would be visible on my shoulder blades, posture and gait. And the conversation for the C5-C6 “no spaces” (Aka Spondylosis) and the “curve” are actually an insult to my athletic years until now. However, I wanted some deeper treatment and I got it for a higher bid price. I agreed to a treatment to recover “more spaces” between my C5-C6 at 50 -100%. I said. Deal. In my mind, I was looking for the adjustments, the cervical decompression machine, the shock waves along my spine and more cervical adjustments and cervical manual acupressure. All combined is supposed to erase “pain memory”, and then start building soft tissue and some cervical recovery – chiro cleverly gave me ranges. The cervical spondy was the bad guy causing my wrist pain, chiro said, however, no x-ray of my wrists for a proper elimination process, for maybe carpal or whatever else. I obviously got relaxed with the treatment, and there I had a chronic dry cough, which literally disappeared after three sessions in one week. I was suspecting of the valgus, and I did mention, but I wasn’t enthused to give the chiro more cues, for him to wrap me around his con fingers. At balance $900 – I have been charged $1,000. I said thank you and goodbye. Thank you for the valgus, but the wrist didn’t improve much. I simply bought me a new road-hybrid bike, and it is numbing the pain, I am getting fresh air, craved exercise, and happiness for having another super bike. And I will follow with advice here for a time soon down the road, after paying off this debt.
Ob,
Seeing the future, months down the road, is difficult. At my practice, we would never schedule more than 6-8 visits at a time up front(and that would be a lot). If you begin to see the benefits of chiropractic treatment, your frequency should be reduced. You should also be given management strategies such as exercises and stretches to help reduce your dependence on your chiropractor, or any doctor for that matter. Hard to be too critical of this situation with out knowing more details. But generally speaking, a 24 visit treatment plan is excessive in my opinion. drbo
I have asked if I could use a brace or something to avoid further deterioration of my “C5-C6 spaces”, chiro said, nope, not needed, he wanted me to slow down, but not rest, however, chiro did not mention the word exercise, and I believe I am obviously athletic and muscular to the naked eye, and unsupervised exercises might not pay the chiro’s operational bills, mind you, his living. The treatment was planned for a period of 90 days – 3 x week = (3×4 = 12 x 3 = 36 sessions) Minimum…
That does not sound like a chiropractor I would ever recommend. If you need help locating one in your area, please provide you zip code. Best
Thank you. I have used the FTCA directory you posted here in the comments and located a recommended chiro in my area (Just one in League City, down south), and I think I can clearly see the differences now. I am in the 77598 area in Houston, TX. I will go for a visit when I pay off the debt or if my work health insurance covers.
Hi! Like many of your posts above, I have had trouble finding a good chiropractor. I found one in my area that was pretty decent and never tried to push lengthy treatment plans on me at first visit, but she isn’t in my insurance network and is quite expensive. I made an appointment for a new in-network chiro next week, but was told I need to meet with the doctor first to establish a treatment plan and then get adjusted on my next visit, which already doesn’t sit well with me. Are you able to recommend a good chiropractor in my area (32779)? I know I am far from MO, but maybe you have a wide network 🙂
Stephanie, Here is a recommendation. This office is a member of the FTCA so there is a much higher likelihood, they will suit your needs. https://northorlandospine.com. Good Luck, Dr. BO
Can you please find a reputable chiropractor in my location please? My zip code is 93110 Santa Barbara, California.
It is terrifying to just hope ‘n pray, cross my fingers and pick from some random ad on a google search. I really appreciate any guidance. Thanks very much, in advance.
Shirley, This is the closest chiropractor to you through the FTCA Member Map. If they are not convenient, I would call a couple closer. I always recommend asking if they adjust/treat on the first visit(they should), do they bill insurance(they should), and do they force treatment packages on everyone(they should not). If the front desk can answer those three questions correctly, you have a pretty good shot of finding a decent good chiropractor. Best, Drbo
I brought in an xray of my back to a new chiropractor. He told me I had scolosis and he could help with backaches. I asked the office girl if they accepted Medicare and she said yes. I have original medicare Plan A and B. I was handed a bill for $200 two months later. They charged $150 for a new patient exam (20min) using code 99202. Medicare declined payment because chiropractors cannot bill for office visit/new patient. I think someone should have said since you have Medicare B, your secondary may not help with payment and you will be responsible for the whole bill. Is there anyway they could adjust that fee. It is a huge hardship with being on social security. I am 74. Also, can a chiropractor set his own fee, he said he had to charge that much. Thank you.
Carly,
Medicare is very particular about what they will pay. Yes they should have explained the exam was not covered and technically should have had you sign form, called an ABN, indicating that. ABNs are generally required to charge for uncovered Medicare services. Did you sign an ABN at the office?
i started last month at a local chiropractor. the first visit all they did was take x-rays and put a tens unit and heating pad on my back. they said we would begin adjustments on the next visit. the next visit they went over the x-rays and handed me a 1 month plan stating that i needed to go back 3 times per week for one month and would cost me 760.00. i have been going for 3 and a half weeks now and each visit only consist of cracking my back on the table and then tens unit and heat. i was told that my lower back pain was due to my neck being over 3 inches forward from where it should be. they did x-rays last week and informed me today that my neck has gotten worse and that i need to do additional treatments 3 times per week for 2 more months. how is it that after 12 visits my xrays are worse. this seems like a money racket. how can i report this.
RUN!!!!!
They aren’t treating you, they are treating you wallet.
I am a fairly healthy person, not overweight and dont have any health issues. 5 days ago, I sat down and when I stood up I had severe pain in my lower back. I can stand and walk just with constant pain but if I twist to either side the pain can almost knock me to the ground. I struggle with the act of laying down or getting up but feel best when I am laying on my back. , sitting down and getting up is easier but if I sit or stand too long then the pain increases. So I went to the chiropractor this morning. He just charges 35/visit and doesn’t take insurance. He adjusted me (no xray just a physical exam on my back) and had me lay on this vibrating rolling table with ice on my back. I asked if I was out of allignment and he said yes and he said I needed to ice every 2 hours for 15 minutes and see him on Monday. Everything sounds great so far, right? My question is I had a VERY hard time getting up from the massaging table, walking was hard, actually, everything was hard. Is it normal to be in a lot more pain after an adjustment?
Martha,
That all sound reasonable. Yes soreness is common after an initial visit. I like that they gave you home recommendations. Tell them at your visit. If soreness post-adjustment continues after a couple visits, they should be able to modify treatment in some way.
Thank you so much for your response. It was very helpful.
I recently started seeing a chiropractor for my back pain caused by scoliosis. They typically do x-rays but couldn’t as I’m also pregnant. They did some type of tests on my spine just not x-rays. The second visit they presented me with my treatment plan and showed my results which are horrible and do match up with my pain. The treatment plan is 3 times per week for 5 months. They’ll repeat the same tests monthly. Is this normal without x-rays?
They won’t x-ray me until I’m done breastfeeding as well which will be way past the 5 months. I just want to be sure I’m not being scammed.
It is completely normal and often more recommended that you don’t receive x-rays except in severe cases. Ultimately, chiropractors should not need X-rays to diagnose your condition and the tests we use are well equipped to assess your pain. I’m glad to hear they plan to reassess you monthly – hopefully they use that to assess your progress and determine if any of the treatment regimes need to change.
I found a great chiropractor to treat my degenerative disc as well as scoliosis and TMJ issues. He recently added an associate who saw me last week. There was no indication that I wouldn’t be seeing my regular doc until his associate walked into the room, although both docs were in the office that day. New associate had trouble adjusting just about everything and I spent the week feeling no better than I did before the appointment.
So today I called the office with a TMJ headache and asked to see my regular chiropractor. I was told he isn’t in today but that his associate is in and qualified to treat extremities. (Is my jaw an extremity?) I then asked if my preferred chiropractor will be in the office for my regular appointment in two days, and he will. So I asked fto see him specifically, and I’m pretty sure he’s the one I’ll be seeing although I don’t recall a firm “yes”.
I understand what’s happening, but is it common? Should I be seen by whoever comes into the room until the new associate gets it right? Feeling disappointed and duped. Thanks.
More than anything, they need to listen to your requests as a patient. A clinic should be patient centered and focusing on reducing your pain. So if the new doc is not effectively doing that, you have every right to request your regular doctor. As far as the jaw being an extremity….not in an anatomical sense, but anything that is not the spine is sometimes (and misleadingly) referred to as as an extremity.
An interesting read and some sound very similar to what I’ve been through. I’m from Australia. This week I decided to see a chiropractor as I just wanted to get an adjustment for my body. I don’t have any pain whatsoever – just wanted relief especially for my stiff neck/shoulders.
On my first consultation, the chiropractor didn’t do any adjustments despite me explaining I wanted to relieve the stiffness. All he did was asked me to perform several exercises to assess my body’s strength and he also took several x-rays for me.
On the second visit to review the x-ray results he told me that I was in the early stages of degeneration (subluxation) as my neck lacked curvature and they’re not moving like they’re supposed to when bending the neck up and down. He then proposed a 3 month plan of 3 visits per week which included adjustments, exercises etc. to fix my problem. The total costs for the plan is about $3100 (aust dollars), or I can pay $900 which is their cheapest plan. I said I would go home and think about it as it is not cheap. He asked if I wanted to get adjusted today just to try it out and see how I go, but I refused as I didn’t feel comfortable with the plan he suggested prior and incase he will entice me to go on the proposed plan. Can I ask if such pre-payment plans are common? Was I lucky to have escaped this?
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I feel like no one was posting good experiences. I went to a chiropractor a couple days ago, he had me stand on an orthopedic thing to check my arch support/balance. Then the same machine took a picture of my posture. He then asked me several questions about my pain and poked me in certain muscles to test if they were tender. In the end he told me I didn’t need any alignments but that my muscles in my shoulders were really tight. Recommended a couple of stretches and lifestyle changes. He also worked on me for about 45 minutes with chiropractic massage to help loosen the muscles and swelling. Overall I had a great experience and hope everyone else can find a chiropractor like that.
We love to hear this! Muscle work and massage are great tools in chiropractic care. I’m glad that your doctor took time to fully assess you and treat you appropriately. That’s the sign of a good chiropractor!
one chiropractor I went to before I changed, said the same thing to me. He gave me a handout to do stretches. I switched to another one because I moved, BIG MISTAKE. HUGE. I wrote below in the comments what happened to me. that will make me never. ever. go to one again.
I’ve had a lot of pain in my shoulder blade area and decided to try and go to a chiropractor. He had me go and do X-rays of my neck. Which was fine. He then said that I had severe whiplash and that I had had it for years which has caused my cervical spine (neck) to lock up which has affected a lot of muscles in my neck, chest, back and is causing the pain in my shoulder blade. He said if I came 3x a week for 3 months he could fix it, 2x a week he could keep me out of pain, but if I decided not to come I would need surgery eventually. So basically he put the fear of god into me and I’ve been going 3x a week for the last month as well as doing exercises on my own at home. If I finish up the 3 months its around $2500 total. All out of pocket because my insurance doesn’t cover this. Thinking about being done. While there have been times when I left the chiropractor and my shoulder blade area felt much better It’s not all the time. And I dont have neck pain so unsure about the cervical spine thing. Thoughts?
Whiplash can and will definitely involve the cervical spine and can cause pain in the region of the shoulder blade. I’m sorry to hear this chiropractor used a fear tactic to get you into their office! Chiropractic treatment plans can reduce pain and symptoms of whiplash but if pain is not effectively reduced your doctor should take that into account when deciding what techniques to use.
I just wish my chiropractor suggested as much I had been going , 3x a week… to go see a PT, because it could be muscular. He was pushing in muscles. Just now, a piece that popped itself out yesterday, caused so much pain, because of what he did months ago, I realized to do a few stretches and the muscle popped back in ( a piece of it like a puzzle lol) to the right spot and pain went away. I have family who are chiropractors, who live out of state, I trust them, and they do a great job! but my experience with the one I went to, I will never. ever. return.
why I quit going to mine – finally. I went in for a pain, he ‘popped things in’ (my back; the C4 – which wasn’t ‘C4, according to my PT; ) and for months I couldn’t figure out why I had a pinched nerve; I kept going in and he said I was fine. pain got so bad I couldn’t flex my leg. I told him about it and mentioned I can’t do basic functions, run, jump, wear heels, etc.. he said “none of my clients run or jump… you shouldn’t be doing this. ever.” – that is when I ‘woke up’ and realized, he was messing me up. I told him to quit working on my back and fix the “sciatica” he said I had. He looked at it and said “wow, the L5 is twisted” and told me I had chronic pain. and then he said three other areas were ‘twisted’ and wondered how I did this.. I quit going to him. I went to another one and he popped my hip back in place and told me the other chiropractor didn’t know what he was doing. After he did that to my hip, all the pain stopped. I am now seeing a PT and looking forward to being normal again. I will never. ever. go to a chiropractor again. Some can be good; but then you get a bad one like I did. I didn’t have the heart to tell the chiropractor he was messing me up; I wanted to. My body is slowly getting better but because Chiropractor popped things in for so long, my body is connecting the dots again so one part gets better but another piece that he popped in, is popping out to normal , thus I get pain, I stretch and it places itself back to the right place. Listen to your body. Listen to your gut people.
I’m a recent pharmacy graduate yet to be employed as I am not licensed yet, but have been experiencing lower back pain. I decided to shop around for a chiropractor. New patient questionnaire with the first chiropractor was odd, with questions like if there were any physical, chemical, or emotional stress my mother had when she was pregnant with me, how spiritual I am, and how happy my teen years were. When I went into his office, he told me he didn’t care about face masks, and I could take mine off. I was literally mortified and of course kept mine on while his kept slipping off his nose.
First visit he explained some stuff and did an adjustment with a followup visit. During the follow-up, he evaluated any improvements from the initial adjustment, had me sit through a full Powerpoint presentation on benefits of chiropractic care (which also included a case study of a patient who went from being on some 20-40 drugs, to almost 0), went through a chart of his findings, along with going over the “health investment” packages that were $1k+. He wanted me to come in 3x a week for the first 1-2 months and taper from there.
I explained my financial situation of being an unemployed recent grad (but omitting the pharmacy part), how I can’t afford making a large purchase at this time, to which he asked how I was getting by currently. Mind you, he also doesn’t work with insurance. I told him my parents were supporting me for the time being and he told me to go ask my parents for the money.
I went to see a second chiropractor, who I connected with a lot more. No overly personal questions in the new patient forms. He focused on coaching me on how to correct my posture, which is undeniably not good. The frequency he recommended was only 2x/month rather than 3x/week.
I also went to see my massage therapist right after the adjustment from the second chiropractor and she commented on what a good job the chiropractor did. She noticed that my usual tense spots were not as tense as shes used to seeing them.
I recently went to a Chiropractor because I have been having long term neck pain. It was my first visit and they asked some questions then went straight to alignment. They never did xrays first. I actually got way too anxious to finish the alignment past 2 pops. Now I am in worse pain. 🙁
Is not doing xrays first normal?
Hi Jasmine! The need for X-rays are determined on a case by case basis, so they are sometimes necessary and sometimes not. However, if you are feeling worse that is definitely something to bring up to your doctor!
I’ve had fairly immediate pain relief in the past when treated by a chiro for lower back pain. So naturally I booked into one when I’d had a few days of neck stiffness and was starting to get radiating pain down my arm.
There was an initial thorough assessment and adjusment. He ordered full xrays and there was a bit of doom and gloom talk but I preservered. After about 5 weeks of treatments 1-2 times a week I am not experiencing any pain relief. In fact it feels worse. I have told him that it is excruciating at night and I’m unable to sleep properly. He has told me that I have a reversed cervical curve and a mild thoracic scoliosis that will need to be treated 2 times a week for the next 8 weeks and then weekly for about 18mths. He doesn’t seem concerned by my pain or lack of sleep nor could give me any timeframe on when or if I should get pain relief.
Does this sound like a normal treatment plan and symptoms for this diagnosis?
Thank you
Hi Megan – so sorry to hear you are dealing with this kind of pain! We always recommend finding a doctor who’s main focus is you and your recovery and listens to your concerns!
I’m so glad I read your article. I just moved to a new town about a year ago and I’ve been trying to find a chiropractor that does manipulations and pneumatic adjustment not that cracking and popping that you normally think when you go to the chiropractor. It’s been really difficult and I have walked into offices and I should have fired them on the spot. I will look until I can locate someone that will actually treat me and not my pocket or insurance. Thank you
Thanks for your comment, Diane! We definitely recommend finding a chiropractor that listens to your concerns on how you are treated.
Just got done with a chiropractic visit. I feel it is a scam. 1st visit he examined be and he could feel where things where off with his hands(no treatment 1st visit) but still required several x-rays. He didn’t tell me the results of the x-rays. He examined my shoulder (I have a frozen shoulder) and then told me he thought I needed to see my PC first and thought I might have a tear. This is why I was visiting him. Forced me to come back the next day for results.
He showed me my neck x-ray saying none of my vertebra were moving and it needed to be corrected. The other x-rays he said well he just didn’t have time to go through them. But he did have time to tell me that I needed 3 months of 3 visits and for roughly 4K I can pay weekly. For 3.2K I can pay monthly and if I paid now I would have to pay 2.5k. I told him about the experience I had last time where I paid 3K for 36 visit with no improvement and didn’t want to repeat and said I need to talk to my husband. We then went on the table and his adjustments on my lower back where quiet forceful compared to anyone else I have ever seen. Literally caused sharp pain. They then signed me up for 8 AM for 36 visits.
Popping my neck did improve my frozen shoulder but not completely. My Primary Care MD did x-rays and I have calcified tendinitis with loose bodies, I need to see an ortho.
I got the impression from him I wasn’t always going to be getting adjustments with him every visit. I saw some people in contraptions. He kind of had a conveyor belt system of moving patients around, which I didn’t like. Made it feel like he was doing everything he could to maximize profits.
Then on top of it he doesn’t accept my insurance. Which he didn’t tell me until the second visit.
I feel he is a scam. Nice guy but I don’t feel he is above board.
I fell down a hill while walking my dog. I rolled a few times and slammed my car on the ground. I thought I had a brain injury until I realized that My glasses had flown off. For the next 4 weeks my neck hurt and was losing mobility. I finally went to the chiropractor. I spoke to her on the phone about my discomfort and she said she could see me in 7 days. When I went, she did the usual chiropractic testing without xrays. she has worked on my back which includes this painful deep massage. The last time I went she was doing the massage to the point that I told her to stop. The last three days I have had the worst neck pain which mostly seems like muscle pain. Is it wise to continue with this line of treatment?
How exactly are Chiropractors well trained to read x-rays?????
Hello, Chad! Chiropractors are trained to take and read diagnostic images during schooling and post-education. X-rays are also often sent off to radiology specialists to review.
After receiving my bill of over $2500 I asked my chiropractor a question about $40 charges called Exercise Therapy. They said that charge is for exercises that they give me to do at home. I asked to see my patient notes and in them it has the same exercise listed for each visit. I am really nice, I promise, but they are upset with me because they think I don’t want to pay my whole bill and threatened to sue me for asking the question. I’ve told them that I thought the prices were excessive but I will pay the bill, I just wanted them to answer my question about the exercise therapy charge. My question is, is this customary that charge every time for the same exercise? I just felt I asked a question and they immediately went to the defensive and assumed I wasn’t going to pay them.
Hi, I am visiting a Chiro for a month and a half for lower back pain. And he always change and keep me doing certain exercises at home , and 2 adjustments every time, and a massage with a machine on my lower back. But I don’t see any result or improvement. Do I need more time. Thanks in advance.
Hi Carmen! Each case and person is different. Depending on the severity and cause of your back pain, it could take more time to see results. This is definitely something you should discuss with your chiropractor to ensure you get the best results.
I saw a chiropractor a few years ago because I was having some neck pain from an old mva. My first day the an X-ray was done that showed some straightening of my neck. I was adjusted that day and told to come back the following by the time I got home I was in so much pain I could not breathe or lie down. I called the office and was told to come back the following day and alternate between ice and heat. I did that all night while I cried the entire night. Followed up the next day as advised they told me it would get worst before it got better and I should be adjusted again. This time I only made it to the car and my mother called back to speak with the doctor who advised the office manager to tell me to ice only and return for a third day because “it would get worst before it got better.” That night the pain was so severe and my breathing so shallow I went to the ER I was given prednisone and oral pain meds because the doctor did not want to compromise my breathing and more than it already was. My mother called back to the chiropractors office the following more and they told her to bring me in again because I was have the pain because I was not icing. We went back and I begged him not to adjust me again I just wanted a message he still wanted to adjust me I was too painful so I refused he said I need to stretch my neck with the weight machine to get blood flow between the disc that would be less invasive. Against my better judgment I agreed by the time I got home not only was I in excruciating pain my feet were locked to the floor and I could not move. An ambulance was called and I spent 14days in the hospital with a slipped rib and exacerbation of Cervical impingement and Thoracic stenosis. We we called to be speak to the Dr. he told the I’m to tell me he would call after his vacation I never heard from him again except when I receive flyers for office specials. Left a bad taste haven’t been to a chiropractor since just deal with the pain as it comes to afraid to try again.